I think you're BSing us Mr.Falcon, although if you're being truthful, I have to say I understand what you mean. In my case its not the special day assembly, but rather the Special Talk I heard yesterday. The information presented in the outline was neutral as far as denominations are concerned, and the speaker nailed it. He was like James Earl Jones up there. It helped that I was out in the lobby simply listening without any distractions. There's days I wonder if I'm on a dangerous path too, and do I need to reestablish any lost emotions I had toward the Watchtower. It's not an easy thing to shed the WT's influence in one's life.
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I must say goodbye to you all......
by Mr. Falcon inthe fine spiritual information that i recieved at the convention has made an impact on this bitter heart.
i came to realize that what i thought was logical was nothing more than my imperfect heart seeking to be rebellious.
i was so wrong!
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JWs who do a "disappearing act" because of damaging gossip and trouble in the hall
by LongHairGal ini know of a few jw friends who from time to time have to do a disappearing act from their hall.
one jw finds a "reason" to leave town to visit relatives and another jw would go to "visit" another hall in a nearby vicinity.
in all honesty, they are fleeing from the strife in the kingdom hall when they are in the spotlight.
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Miz, one elder's wife quit speaking to me because her husband would always ask for my help on Service Meeting parts or commend my well-thought answers at the WT study.
I kid you not.
I also knew all the Kingdom melodies by heart, and would sing soulfully.
That was another bone of contention with her.
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I'm sorry Syl, but I have to say that you were the one at fault. Instead of accepting her husband's request for assistance, you should have first taken the matter in prayer to Jehovah so that you could have made sure of the more important things. (Phil 1:10) In this case, the more important thing would be consideration of this poor woman's feelings. If you had prayed to Jehovah, and asked for a portion of His spirit to be upon you, to help you recall Biblicle examples of spiritual stalwarted individuals who humbled themselves on behalf of their fellow man. Remember the story of Joseph and Potipher's wife? Joseph rather than give Potipher's wifes booty a ratta tat tatta, he said aloud, "How could I do such a wicked thing?!?!" Syl, you could have taken the same position with your singing by occasionally screaching or singing off tune, thereby humiliating yourself and encouraging the wife of this elder. You also could have stuttered when commenting, or peppered it occasionally with "umm", or "ugh", or "I lost my thought."-Col 4:6
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JWs who do a "disappearing act" because of damaging gossip and trouble in the hall
by LongHairGal ini know of a few jw friends who from time to time have to do a disappearing act from their hall.
one jw finds a "reason" to leave town to visit relatives and another jw would go to "visit" another hall in a nearby vicinity.
in all honesty, they are fleeing from the strife in the kingdom hall when they are in the spotlight.
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I'm concerned about all of you on this thread. You've left Jehovah because of the actions and speech of imperfect people. All of you need reminded of Ephesians 4:2 where it says we should, "continue putting up with one another." None of you waited on Jehovah to straighten out the petty rumors and gossip prevalent in the congregation. Instead you acted presumptuously, thinking you knew better than Jehovah, and you've left the spiritual paradise found only in the true Christian congregation. Now all of you are experiencing spiritual shipwreck.
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How evangelicals and Witnesses are alike
by jgnat inboth believe in the inerrancy of the bible (psalms 12:6, 119:89, proverbs 30:5-6, 2 timothy 3:16-17, 2 peter 1:20-21, rev 22:18-19) and in their absolute correct interpretation.both believe that the other is apostate (2 thessalonians 2:3-4).both believe that the others doctrine is influenced by the devil (genesis 3:1-15, john 8:44).both believe the other is condemned for their false beliefs (2 peter 2:1-3, 1 timothy 4:1-3, 2 timothy 2:16-19, hebrews 6:4-8).neither would darken the door of the others sanctuary, for fear of contamination.both would avoid casual association (proverbs 13:20, 1 corinthians 5:11, 15:33), and certainly would not marry the other (2 corinthians 6:14).both believe that armageddon is imminent and look forward to the purified world afterwards.both consider that the highest form of charity is to convert another.
practical works like feeding the poor are considered inferior.more?
can we make it a dozen (a more perfect number)?.
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Powerful post Jgnat, everything on that list is true. As a born-JW who's finally awakened after 30 something years of this nonsense, I'm amazed that so many JWs can never see that many of the very things they accuse "Christendom" of, they're just as guilty of!! A whole lot of finger pointing, and nobody's looking in the mirror. Seems like everybody neglects reading and taking to heart Matthew 7:1-5.
LOL Outlaw!! You forgot they piss off a whole lot of people born into their crap religion too!! The WBTS, aka The Wickedest Bastards This Side of the Atlantic Ocean.
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I like to sue the Wt. art department
by tradewinds ini received a memorial invitation last month from my son.
i just put it in the waste basket.
the picture of jesus was facing up.
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If you turn off all the lights, and use a flashlight to view the memorial invitation, while listening to Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon album, you'll see the munchkin from the Wizard of Oz that hung himself.
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Ready or not, Judgement Day is in two weeks--
by moshe in- and believe it or not, some say the rapture is coming your way on may 21st.
harold camping is still standing pat on this date for the rapture- then on may 22nd, millions of people left behind on earth, who are weeping and wailing, will begin to be killed by god.
however, he is not giving any refunds on may 22nd, if his predictions fail to come true, to contributors who took out their life savings and sent it to his ministry.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9acwnhkvoo.
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Check this out, this article from NPR, the similarities between Camping's followers and JWs prior to 1975 are plenty. I'm not gonna post the whole article, but the link is there for anyone interested.
http://www.npr.org/2011/05/07/136053462/is-the-end-nigh-well-know-soon-enough
Haubert says the Bible contains coded "proofs" that reveal the timing. For example, he says, from the time of Noah's flood to May 21, 2011, is exactly 7,000 years. Revelations like this have changed his life.
"I no longer think about 401(k)s and retirement," he says. "I'm not stressed about losing my job, which a lot of other people are in this economy. I'm just a lot less stressed, and in a way I'm more carefree."
He's tried to warn his friends and family. They think he's crazy. And that saddens him.
"Oh, it's very hard," he says. "I worry about friends and family and loved ones. But I guess more recently, I'm just really looking forward to it."
Haubert is 33 and single. Brown is married with several young children, and none of them shares his beliefs. It's caused a rift with his wife — but he says that, too, was predicted in the Bible.
"God says, 'Do you love husband or wife over me? Do you love son or daughter over me?' There is a test. There is a trial here that the believers are going through. It's a fiery trial."
As May 21 nears, Brown says he feels as if he's on a "roller coaster." What if he is raptured but his family is left behind?
"I'm crying over my loved ones one minute; I'm elated the next minute," he says. "It's all over the place."
"Knowing the date of the end of the world changes all your future plans," says 27-year-old Adrienne Martinez.
She thought she'd go to medical school, until she began tuning in to Family Radio. She and her husband, Joel, lived and worked in New York City. But a year ago, they decided they wanted to spend their remaining time on Earth with their infant daughter.
"My mentality was, why are we going to work for more money? It just seemed kind of greedy to me. And unnecessary," she says.
And so, her husband adds, "God just made it possible — he opened doors. He allowed us to quit our jobs, and we just moved, and here we are."
Now they are in Orlando, in a rented house, passing out tracts and reading the Bible. Their daughter is 2 years old, and their second child is due in June. Joel says they're spending the last of their savings. They don't see a need for one more dollar.
"You know, you think about retirement and stuff like that," he says. "What's the point of having some money just sitting there?"
"We budgeted everything so that, on May 21, we won't have anything left," Adrienne adds.
Nothing, except for the fervent hope that all of them will be raptured.
Camping himself, has had to do some recalculation. He first predicted the end would come Sept. 6, 1994. He now explains that he had not completed his biblical research.
"For example, I at that time had not gone through the book of Jeremiah," he explains, "which is a big book in the Bible that has a whole lot to say about the end of the world."
So he's not planning for May 22?
"Absolutely not," Camping says. "It is going to happen, There is no Plan B."
I've asked a dozen of Camping's followers the same question. Everyone said even entertaining the possibility that May 21 would come and go without event is an offense to God. They all hope they'll be raptured. Some worry about being left behind.
"If I'm here on May 22, and I wake up, I'm going to be in hell," says Brown. "And that's where I don't want to be. So there is going to be a May 22, and we don't want to be here."
On the other hand, he will presumably have lots of company.
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Did anyone see "Four Weddings" on TLC 2011/05/06 - JW bride
by Scully inonly caught part of this program during my tea time at work last night.. the premise: 4 brides competing with each other, and hosting the other brides at their wedding, scoring the wedding and reception.
the prize was an all expenses paid island honeymoon.
i didn't particularly care what was on tv, but a couple of my colleagues were watching it, but boy did i ever do a double take when one of the brides, named celeste, would not enter the church for the second and third weddings, based on her beliefs as a jehovah's witness.
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one of the brides, named Celeste, would not enter the church for the second and third weddings, based on her beliefs as a Jehovah's Witness. The producers accommodated her by setting up a closed circuit TV for her to watch the wedding in the limosine.
Plus, the show disclosed the cost of all the weddings - hers was $45,000!!!!! (the other two that I saw were $20,000 and $30,000). This supposed JW chick had the most lavish and ornate shindig and two wedding dresses instead of just one - a bonafide showy display - and there must have been 500 guests - so contrary to WTS counsel.
You know something, she messed up big time. That's very bad publicity for JWs. The matter of entering a church for a wedding is a conscience matter, its not a concrete doctrine where one can be reproved or DFd over. What she just did was advertise the WT's doctrinal contempt of other Christian denominations. For a JW to even be on a show like that speaks volumes about her, her family, her fiance', and that congregation. Them being able to pay for a $45,000 wedding is probabaly a good indication of her family's influence within the congregation. There's different rules when it comes to random nobody JWs, and JWs with infuential families. I mean influential in the sense of material posessions, but also if the family has theocratic heavyweights within the congregation or the circuit. This bride and her family are part of the Prince/Serena Williams/Katherine JAckson crowd of JWs. They can donate to colleges, dress provatively, and a ton of other questionable things from a JW perspective, and they'll recieve no sanctions. By the way, I'm dying to see this show now.
I had a situation a couple years back where a nonJW friend of mine didn't invite me to her wedding because she was concerned that I'd be offended because the cermony was in a church. She never approached me about it, but rather she either talked with others who are familiar with JW beliefs, or she spoke to some overly pious JW that influenced her decision not to invite me. We discussed the matter after the fact, but it slightly hurt me that she didn't invite me. I say slightly because as a man I hate going to weddings anyway. The only good thing about a wedding is scoping out some of the bridesmaids, or other women dressed to impress in attendance. Oh yeah, almost forgot, food at the reception, especially when its not catered and you can go back for seconds. My friend's wedding however, I would have attended it regardless of it being in a church. Anymore I hate the judgemental disposition the WT influences upon the JW community.
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I like to sue the Wt. art department
by tradewinds ini received a memorial invitation last month from my son.
i just put it in the waste basket.
the picture of jesus was facing up.
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I showed this to my Catholic sister and therapist who saw the same thing.
My invitation was taken by my therapist.
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My Strange Event: is THIS what some might call a "religious" experience?
by unshackled inokay, you're probably wondering what the hell this funky little astronaut has to do with this.
first a quick setup.... like most on here i'm sure we're all aware of the struggle to rid ourselves of our jw programming.
top of my mind lately is realizing i'm not living my life.
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It's a sign if you want it to be.
I was thinking roughly the same way, although Found Sheep expressed it how I was trying to word it. It's coincidental that the little guy was standing, but despite it being insignificant to the average person, you're able to correlate this strange incident to momentous events happening in and around your life.
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"Inspirational" stories without religion?
by Mad Sweeney inrecently saw the movie soul surfer with my family.
nice film for all ages.
inspirational.. but it got me thinking about the question in the topic header.
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Scarface, while not exactly a family film, is inspirational in the sense that he came from nothing. I always liked this scene.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt3tOfTxrII
Shawshank Redemption was inspirational, and everytime I watch it, it leaves a lump in my throat.
March Of The Penguins is inspirational for a documentary, and its family oriented.